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What is better - eternal bliss or a simple bread?


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#101 PhoenixFromTheFlames

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 06:48 PM

If you choose eternal bliss. That means immortal. What if there is no such thing as immortality? Plus the catch phrase of nothing. I'll eat my bread and wait on my time to come. Be thankful for what I do got. Say you do get what you want. You will still not be happy. You want for something more.

Eternal bliss=wants=nothing
bread=needs=something
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#102 lordofsith

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 09:57 PM

This paradox is simply stating a basic math equation
Eternal Bliss < Nothing < Bread
When you simplify the equation you end up with
Eternal Bliss < Bread
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#103 jimmyc

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 03:18 PM

I like this version of this question better:

Nothing is better than a cold beer.
A warm beer is better than nothing.
So, a warm beer is better than a cold beer.
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#104 Mayki

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 06:57 AM

better is relative,
and so,
a matter of opinion.
this is no paradox,
and it can be rephrased to:
"which would you prefer? Eternal Bliss? or Bread?"
by rephrasing it, you can remove the word play and there, problem solved.
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#105 z_offer

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 12:21 AM

It is definitely a sophism.

Disproof:
It assigns 2 different meanings to the word "better":

(1) All things of higher value than eternal bliss amount to an empty set.
(2) Simple bread forms a set of higher power than an empty set
Therefore, demagogically, Simple bread is more than eternal bliss.

It compares apples with oranges. First, it compares the elements of 2 sets by value. The second comparison is by power. This cannot establish transitive property.
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#106 iceman

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 03:00 PM

What is better - eternal bliss or a simple bread? - Back to the Paradoxes

What is better than eternal bliss? Nothing. But a slice of bread is better than nothing. So slice of bread is more than eternal bliss.


Well, I hate to be a party-pooper, but the answer is simple: the logic is incorrect.

What it seems is:
P1. Nothing is better than eternal bliss. (x>y)
P2. A slice of bread is better than nothing. (z>x)
C. A slice of bread is better than eternal bliss. (z>y)

HOWEVER
We find that we have fallen into the logical fallacy of equivocation: "nothing" is used in (actually) two different ways. The first premise, "nothing is better than eternal bliss", "nothing" more literally means "no-thing": no existent "thing" can possibly be better than eternal bliss.
The second premise, "a slice of bread is better than nothing", "nothing" means non-existent, such as nihilo, meaning completely no being. In other words, a slice of bread is better than non-existent things.
I'll rephrase this: the first "nothing" refers to existent things, while the second "nothing" refers to non-existent things.
Therefore, the conclusion is invalid.
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#107 GGJT

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 05:23 AM

What is better - eternal bliss or a simple bread? - Back to the Paradoxes

What is better than eternal bliss? Nothing. But a slice of bread is better than nothing. So slice of bread is more than eternal bliss.


This is a pun on the word nothing. if the equivalent response of there isn't anything is substituted since its the same thing as nothing, then the value could be better understood. It is not that having nothing is better than eternal bliss but that there isn't anything better.

However, another approach which backs this first response of mine would be that though a slice of bread is better than nothing, nothing can be better than eternal bliss. Since it was the first phrase, it takes prevalence over everything.
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#108 Darth Legion

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 04:49 AM

It seems that this paradox plays more with the words than with the actual meaning?
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#109 HarleyDavis

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:29 AM

But that makes you better than "nothing" You'd think you'd hold yourself in higher regard than just being better than nothing.
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#110 saccade

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 12:47 AM

Well, I haven't read any of the other responses, but here's my take on it:

Spoiler for Nothing?

Edited by saccade, 13 March 2011 - 12:48 AM.

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