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[mmiguel1]

Is it possible to give what we don't have? - Back to the Paradoxes

Sophist: "Yes. Greedy man gives his cash with sorrow. However, he doesn't have the cash with sorrow, so he gives what he doesn't have."

The Sophist quote is a word trick, not a logical paradox.

"Greedy man gives his cash with sorrow."
Sorrow here applies to the action of giving.
"However, he doesn't have the cash with sorrow, so he gives what he doesn't have."
Here, sorrow applies to having cash.

"The Greedy man has sorrow when he gives away cash. When he is not giving away cash he does not have sorrow."
This says the same thing without the word trick and there is no "paradox".

[tomc]

My wife gives something she does not have everyday.
---> goes into store, no cash and no money in the back.
Purchases items with no money. Unfortunately, everyone
else alos does it and we call that CREDIT.

[z_offer]

"A greedy man gives his cash with sorrow. However, he doesn't have his cash with sorrow."

is identical to

"A greedy man gives his cash with sorrow. However, he has his cash with no sorrow."

The correct conclusion is:
If you have something with no sorrow, you will give it away with sorrow.

The sophistic wordplay compares 2 statements. Both contain "his cash with sorrow" ==> "gives" and "doesn't have" are falsely compared as well.

[Maximum Ridee]

Is it possible to give what we don't have? - Back to the Paradoxes

Sophist: "Yes. Greedy man gives his cash with sorrow. However, he doesn't have the cash with sorrow, so he gives what he doesn't have."

Yes because you can buy your friend a gift you do not own yourself.
Life is confusing.

[Mr. Smarto]

His sorrow develops when he gives the money away.

[Nikhil121]

As he gives his money, so does he give part of his happiness...

[Nikhil121]

PS: And he doesn't have any happiness at the instant he gives his money..

[puzzleperson254]

this is false to some extent. for to have money gives him joy but to give away money has him feeeling full of sorrow. but only in the play of words can you give away sorrow. if you put logic to it you cannot give away sorrow.

that is when the main idea is sorrow, but when the main idea is money, there is no difference. if he has money he has money, but when he gives it away, then he has none, still you can't give away money if you don't have anymore to give.

therefor in this situation, you cannot give away what you don't have.

[omthkkr]

He got the cash with happiness...and he is giving it with happiness only(the man recieving it feels happy). On the other hand...he gains sorrow when he loses it...the sorrow comes from the man he's giving the cash to(he had sorrow as he didnt have cash with him)...so...overall...it is a transaction from both sides...ALWAYS!

No paradoxes here...just an exchange of feelings in addition to cash!

[Haiming]

Humph, the government does that all the time...

lol