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Is it possible to give what we don't have?


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#41 mmiguel1

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 04:26 PM

Is it possible to give what we don't have? - Back to the Paradoxes

Sophist: "Yes. Greedy man gives his cash with sorrow. However, he doesn't have the cash with sorrow, so he gives what he doesn't have."


The Sophist quote is a word trick, not a logical paradox.

"Greedy man gives his cash with sorrow."
Sorrow here applies to the action of giving.
"However, he doesn't have the cash with sorrow, so he gives what he doesn't have."
Here, sorrow applies to having cash.

"The Greedy man has sorrow when he gives away cash. When he is not giving away cash he does not have sorrow."
This says the same thing without the word trick and there is no "paradox".
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#42 tomc

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 02:07 PM

My wife gives something she does not have everyday.
---> goes into store, no cash and no money in the back.
Purchases items with no money. Unfortunately, everyone
else alos does it and we call that CREDIT.
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#43 z_offer

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 12:03 AM

"A greedy man gives his cash with sorrow. However, he doesn't have his cash with sorrow."

is identical to

"A greedy man gives his cash with sorrow. However, he has his cash with no sorrow."

The correct conclusion is:
If you have something with no sorrow, you will give it away with sorrow.

The sophistic wordplay compares 2 statements. Both contain "his cash with sorrow" ==> "gives" and "doesn't have" are falsely compared as well.
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#44 Maximum Ridee

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 06:56 PM

Is it possible to give what we don't have? - Back to the Paradoxes

Sophist: "Yes. Greedy man gives his cash with sorrow. However, he doesn't have the cash with sorrow, so he gives what he doesn't have."



Yes because you can buy your friend a gift you do not own yourself.
Life is confusing.
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#45 Mr. Smarto

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 09:59 PM

His sorrow develops when he gives the money away.
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#46 Nikhil121

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 08:22 AM

As he gives his money, so does he give part of his happiness... :rolleyes:
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#47 Nikhil121

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 08:34 AM

PS: And he doesn't have any happiness at the instant he gives his money..
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#48 puzzleperson254

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 05:52 AM

this is false to some extent. for to have money gives him joy but to give away money has him feeeling full of sorrow. but only in the play of words can you give away sorrow. if you put logic to it you cannot give away sorrow.

that is when the main idea is sorrow, but when the main idea is money, there is no difference. if he has money he has money, but when he gives it away, then he has none, still you can't give away money if you don't have anymore to give.

therefor in this situation, you cannot give away what you don't have.
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#49 omthkkr

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 01:14 PM

He got the cash with happiness...and he is giving it with happiness only(the man recieving it feels happy). On the other hand...he gains sorrow when he loses it...the sorrow comes from the man he's giving the cash to(he had sorrow as he didnt have cash with him)...so...overall...it is a transaction from both sides...ALWAYS!

No paradoxes here...just an exchange of feelings in addition to cash! ;)
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#50 Haiming

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:55 AM

Humph, the government does that all the time...

lol
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