54 replies to this topic

[yournotalone84]

Humph, the government does that all the time...

bahahaha so true

[speed]

Is it possible to give what we don't have?

No and yes, it all depenting on the sitsuation.
A simple anwer: no.

Edited by speed, 06 December 2008 - 02:51 AM.

[tonyo]

I do not think it is solved yet.

Please define"gives his cash with sorrow". I'll restate it. Gives his cash WHILE FEELING SORROW. no paradox.

[whackptu]

He did not give "cash with sorrow" because:

1. He only gave cash, if he gave both, the receiver must be the one with sorrow and not him.
2. He didn't have sorrow because he was happy with the situation that he had the money. When he gave the money, he became sorrowful not because he gained sorrow but because he lost happiness. Sorrow is not the replacement of happiness but rather the absence of happiness.
3. So the story was a fallacy, because what he gave was "cash" and the "happiness that is attached to the cash" that's why the recipient must have felt "happy" because of the "cash". He on the other hand lost "cash", and lost "happiness" thus with the absence of "happiness" felt "sorrow".

My two cents' worth...

[Lightbeam]

Just curious...

Spoiler for Possible Solution of this paradox

Has anyone said "trust"? As in you can put your trust in others while no one (not even the person putting trust in others) has put any trust in you...

hehe. I think it just may work.

[displayname]

well I think he can can give something he doesn't have as long as he pays it off like a loan, plus is the though that counts.

[Shawty]

it is possible to give what you don't have.
if you are rich you have plenty. it is possible to give what you dont have. you can give nothing.

[bricksandsparrows]

Of course it's a play on words. He gives the cash with (not 'along with') sorrow.

But if you wanted to entertain the idea that he could actully pass along sorrow with the csh...

"...he doesn't have the cash with sorrow, so he gives what he doesn't have."
This is not true.
Having the sorrow is like HAVING an idea. The sorrow is a condition generated by the act of giving away his money. Thus, when he gives away his money he aquires sorrow and is free to do what he wants with it.

[benpon8317]

yes, give him nothing for you have nothing

[Mayki]

Is it possible to give what we don't have? - Back to the Paradoxes

Sophist: "Yes. Greedy man gives his cash with sorrow. However, he doesn't have the cash with sorrow, so he gives what he doesn't have."

focusing on the question, here are some real life situations to answer the question.

1.

Spoiler for Makes sense don't it?

A retired man hires a gardener/pool boy/plumber/mechanic/etc.
He has given a job, while not having one himself.

2.

Spoiler for My Favorite

A black eye/bruise/cut/etc.
this is something simple you can test in real life hahaha

3.

Spoiler for Mathematics?

Anything you own 1 of.
using math, 1-1=0, if I have 1 apple and give it away, I no longer have an apple, so I do not have an apple... now

4.

Spoiler for Wordplay?

Birth/massage/?
you can give birth/massages, but no one has birth/massages... they "have a baby" or "get a massage" though you get it, you can never have it

5.

Spoiler for one more thing...

A Call.
Similar to 4 except that you can "have a call".

So basically, the answer is:
Yes, so long as it is not a physical object. Unless #3 counts.