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Crocodile Sophism


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#61 momo0041

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 12:58 PM

I actually think she should say what the crocodile said, like:

"The agreed deal, whether you trick me or not, was that if I guessed his fate correctly you would let him go. Right now, if you have an inch of heart, you will give him back. If you are truly cruel, you will eat him. Now I will tell you your fate. If you eat my child, I will hunt you and the things you love until my life is over, when I shall join him."

Kind of sad to me...
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#62 0gracefulgirl0

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 06:09 PM

Basically the woman has no way of winning she either:
Is an idiot, and guesses something random, which is then wrong
Or she says "give back the child" which she would be worng so the croc would eat the child
Or she says "eat the child" so the croc would have to give the child back, so then she would be worng in her answer and he would have to eat the child, and this is probably the best answer because it goes on infinatly between her being correct and incorrect, one of them would eventually die and the childs fate would actually be to out live either the croc or his mother.
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#63 aschwem

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 09:58 PM

hehehe...

I would have gotten my child back.

"The child will die"

Since the crocodile would want to eat him, and that would be his fate- death, then she gets her kid back.

Since her child will eventually grow old and die, than the fate holds true once the kid is returned.

Hence,

I rule.

peace out.
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#64 urkspleen

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 04:20 AM

This really hangs around the credibility of the crocodile. For example, if the mother of the child guesses correctly, the crocodile might end up still wanting to eat and therefore go back on his word and devour that child in a gruesome, graphic, gore-filled, gut strewn, bloody montage of various breakfast cereals and a variety of cheeses.
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#65 Catholic_4_Life

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 05:17 AM

The answer is "You will eat my child". If the crocodile ate the child it would be true meaning he was supposed to give back the child which would have made it false meaning that he would eat the child... and it goes round in a vicious circle. There is a lateral thinking puzzler very similar to the above question. "There was an explorer wandering through the jungle one day and he came across a cannabalistic tribe. The chief fancied himself a philosopher and told the explorer, 'We will kill you but you get to choose your method of dying. You will be given the chance to make one statement. If it is true, we will feed you to the lions. If it is false, you will be thrown off of a cliff.' What was the one statement that the explorer made that forced the chief to set him free?"
the answer is "I will be thrown off of a cliff." yet another vicious circle is formed like the one above.
Everyone is thinking too far into the question. It isn't asking anything about the nature of the crocodile but what statement would make the crocodile have to let the child go.
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#66 imc47130

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Posted 22 November 2007 - 09:11 PM

the mothers answer to the croc is you will eat my baby. while the mother does not know what the croc will do her statement is false but at the same time to the croc the statement is true so the croc has no choice but to give the baby back
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#67 Wicker Brainpan

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 07:37 PM

The baby's fate is to live until the moment of its death.
By being non committal about when the baby dies and who, if anyone should kill it, the croc must return the baby.
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#68 joehudo

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Posted 29 November 2007 - 12:21 AM

HE said she had to guess, not guess correctly or incorrectly. ie) anyone can guess the end score of a game, or the way the world will end
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#69 rookie1ja

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Posted 29 November 2007 - 12:24 AM

HE said she had to guess, not guess correctly or incorrectly. ie) anyone can guess the end score of a game, or the way the world will end


that's why I edited the sophism a long time ago - guess was replaced by predict fate ... check page 1
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#70 splintercat

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Posted 03 December 2007 - 06:33 AM

She says, "You will eat him."

If he claims this guess was incorrect, then he'll have to eat him; the guess will then be correct and the crocodile will have broken his word. The crocodile, being a clever and honest sophist, will have reasoned this out and if the mother gives that answer, he can only return the child.
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