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Lazy-bones Paradox


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#131 nilla

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 12:34 PM

First of all, there is no destiny. if there was such thing as destiny, however, then destiny has already shifted its way into making people find the profession a knowlage of doctors and medical specialists. if destiny worked that way then people would be destined to becme doctors and other people needing the help from a doctor would develope the common sense of going to a doctor in the first place. simple as that.
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#132 hardheaded

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 02:04 AM

Im a christian so this is how i look at it. God has a predetermined destiny for you (his plan for your life) but we have the free will to choose if we are going to follow that destiny(by believing what the bible says about you and letting your faith drive you and praying etc.) or not (by simply choosing not to listen to what God has to say) So in this situation God might want the man healed and all he has to do is go to the doctor and get his shot well if he doesnt then its his choice and has altered his destiny from what it should have been (Gods Plan) to what it is now (Mans Plan) and i know someone is gonna say how is it freewill if God already knows what your gonna pick, well my answer to that is this just because he knows what your gonna pick doesnt mean the choice isnt there and it doesnt mean he made the choice for you it just means that he knows what your gonna pick like if i was to lay $10,000 down on a table and right next to it lay down a bill for $1,000,000 that I have accumulated from a jeweler for you to pay and told you to pick one I know which one you are gonna pick but that doesnt stop the need for a choice to be made
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#133 Wlado

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Posted 04 July 2009 - 03:21 PM

Hmmm... Well, I would go to the doctors and get medication, cause it helped me over and over again. And if they don't, I try anything that is in my power. Then if someone actually tells me it's my destiny to die, or something... I would kill myself and thus ending the cycle. :D

Just kidding, of course... Or am I?
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#134 SpawN

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 11:18 PM

First of all, I don't believe in destiny, but if it was something like that to happen, then I guess the paradox is not even a paradox, its simple. If you are destined not to heal, you will heal even if you don't go to a doctor.Miracles or exceptions or whatever happen. There are 2 people in the world who have been cured by AIDS.Nobody knows how,but they were diagnosed with AIDS and now they are cured.Cannot be explained,but it happened.

I will give you another example.

My mother told me from her doctor that he(the doctor) had a patient that has gone through a lot in his life.Hit by a car and survives.Then, he falls from a tree.He has 8 broken ribs, but survives.Then one day he is diagnosed with cancer.The doctor gives him 6 months. After 1 year, the doctor meets that person who seems to be as healthy as an ox.

Maybe there is something.Maybe not.But the paradox is not a paradox if one can accept that miracles happen.And there have been many miracles in the world.Known and unknown.I`m an atheist by the way, but such things happen.
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#135 xXAoSXx

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 08:19 AM

think logically

1-Destiny wanted you to think nothing could happen
so you dont go to the doctor
1a-you die
1b-you live

2-You want to hope for the best and go to the doctor

2a-you live
2b-you die

you can argue that it does not matter, but really if you go to the doctor you have better chances of survive then by "luck"
the point with destiny and predestination is that
even if a higher being or destiny knowns the outcomes
WE DONT!! so you can only hope for the best and hope with logic that your decisions are accurately judged
what is hurt by going to the doctor? more gained then lost

we dont know what will happen so it is impossible to tell
i believe in predestination...ehh i wont go into that yet
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#136 aliz8

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 11:36 AM

Let's say for examplel I chose not to go to a doctor and I die, then that was my destiny. Then assume I chose not to go to the doctor and I survive, then that was my destiny. Same thing if I choose to go to the doctor. Whatever the outcome, it was my destiny. Assumming of course that there is such thing as destiny. So whether you believe in destiny or not, really doesn't matter. Destiny could be there or not and we don't know it, either way. And just in case there is no such thing as destiny, I will go to the doctor, and I will obay the law, and I will behave etc. etc.
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#137 Austin CG

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 03:28 PM

The fact of the matter, is that destiny does not work as a master plan already laid out in disregard to your decisions. Destiny should be thought in terms of outcomes from your decision. Destiny may know your ultimate decision on everything, but it cannot determine them.
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#138 Gary

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 09:01 PM

If you wish to be deterministic, please consider the following thought: We are each allotted but ONE fatal disease. The job of the doctor is to guide through us life to that one fatal disease.
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#139 equilibrium

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 10:06 PM

hm...well if destiny has designed a master plan regarding everything that is to happen then free will is an illusion. this means that if you are ill it is not REALLY your choice whether you go to the doctor or not (it is already preordained-if you are meant to be cured by a doctor then you'll go the doctor whether you like it or not, or if you are meant to be cured without the help of a doctor then you won't go)

Edited by equilibrium, 12 July 2009 - 10:08 PM.

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#140 lv5 deletion creature

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 07:04 PM

Lazy-bones Paradox - Back to the Paradoxes

If destiny designed a master plan, which defines everything that is to happen, isn't it useless to for example go to a doctor? If I am ill and it is my destiny to regain health, than I will regain health whether I visit a doctor or I don't. And if I shall not be healthy again, than I will not with or without help.
If I am ill and destiny has a definite plan for me, than it is useless to go anywhere.
How could you question the presented opinion?


The key to this paradox is that Destiy designed a master plan that defines EVERYTHING that is to happen. If EVERTHING was then defined then the theroy of "FREE WILL" is then thrown out. This in turn implies that the usefullness, or "uselessness" in this case, of doing anything would be irrelevant. It would be determined that you did or didnt go to the doctor, whether you were ill or not. To answer the question being useless to go to the doctor would be irrelevant because everything has already been defined. Lets say that Destiny has defined that you get ill, AND that you do not go to the doctor yet Destiny also defines you get well. The question becomes irrelevant because Destiny has defined what will happen. The paradox lies in the thought that you can do something against the definition of your destiny.

In short Destiny defines EVERYTHING you do in a master plan. The Illusion of "Free Will" comes from your mind thinking you have a choice when one is presented but in actuallity has already been chosen.
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