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Lazy-bones Paradox


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#111 dirusbellator

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 01:49 AM

Well, to debate this paradox you have to cagetorize the factors or variables that you use to support the reasons whereby your opinion is justified. Example: religion is an absolute in the eye and heart of the practicer and is not collective; destiny is a constant. Like an equation, what really matters is how those constants are affected on each side of the 'equals' sign. Take Einstein's equation E=mc^2; if that equation didn't have the constant c than it would be irrelevant, but since we know that light travels at a constant speed, we can justify the validity of the equation. Energy and mass though are variables which affect the constant of light. Destiny is constant, in all reality choices we make are already made for us; it's just a matter of picking the already made choice. When you go to buy a car, there are a definite number of colors available, so the decision has already been made for you that you are going to pick one of the colors, it's just a matter of picking one of those already made choices (or colors). The choice you made before you left for the car dealer was the constant: you decided that you were going to leave with a new car. Anyone familiar with math would sort of see that this topic overlaps into statistics and variable change. I can't explain all the jot and tiddles of the math because I haven't studied it completely, but for sake of argument just consider this: 2+x=4. The average person would assume the obvious, which is nonetheless correct, that x=2. 2 isn't constant the 4 is. There are several ways to acquire four: 2+(1+1)=4; 2+(root 4)=4; and to get crazy we can say 2+((1/4xroot 4) times 2)=4. All of those are correct. So personifying that translates as follows: in the equation 2+x=4, it is x's destiny to be added to 2 to equal 5. The path it takes to get there is the choice.

If that makes sense to anyone, please let me know; the majority of people I try to explain that to say that I'm wrong just because they're afraid to understand that choices are made for them, it's just the paths taken to accept those choices are what affect your destiny.
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#112 alvarosv

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Posted 15 November 2008 - 06:34 PM

According to the paradox destiny is real for sure and it can be changed. Well, then, the answer is very simple. If he was sick and he went to the doctor it was his destiny to go to the doctor and then get cured. If he doesn't go to the doctor when he was destined to get cured after going to the doctor means that he'll never get cured. Destiny needs a series of events to happen for something else to happen which means that if the action of going to the doctor was not done he could've never regained health since he had to go to the doctor first. Oh, and answering to the post above, we should base our answers on the paradox and what it says not what we beleive or think. That really fixes everything.

Edited by alvarosv, 15 November 2008 - 06:35 PM.

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#113 moonthirsty

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:03 PM

IMO, this "paradox" is easily explained. The man that thinks this, is still being controlled by destiny. The thing is, him even THINKING this is destiny (or future, if you will). If he chooses that going to the doctor will solve his problem, because destiny isn't possible, then that was his destiny all along. It is not as simple as anything that can be told to you, as such palm readers, fortune tellers, etc. can't be real. This fact doesn't change the reality that destiny is what's going to happen, clear and simple. Nothing can change something as basic, and inalianable as destiny, because attempting to change it basically IS one's destiny, if they so choose to go that route.


Thank you!! I could never understand why that concept seems so difficult for some people to understand.
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#114 moonthirsty

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:11 PM

Well, to debate this paradox you have to cagetorize the factors or variables that you use to support the reasons whereby your opinion is justified. Example: religion is an absolute in the eye and heart of the practicer and is not collective; destiny is a constant. Like an equation, what really matters is how those constants are affected on each side of the 'equals' sign. Take Einstein's equation E=mc^2; if that equation didn't have the constant c than it would be irrelevant, but since we know that light travels at a constant speed, we can justify the validity of the equation. Energy and mass though are variables which affect the constant of light. Destiny is constant, in all reality choices we make are already made for us; it's just a matter of picking the already made choice. When you go to buy a car, there are a definite number of colors available, so the decision has already been made for you that you are going to pick one of the colors, it's just a matter of picking one of those already made choices (or colors). The choice you made before you left for the car dealer was the constant: you decided that you were going to leave with a new car. Anyone familiar with math would sort of see that this topic overlaps into statistics and variable change. I can't explain all the jot and tiddles of the math because I haven't studied it completely, but for sake of argument just consider this: 2+x=4. The average person would assume the obvious, which is nonetheless correct, that x=2. 2 isn't constant the 4 is. There are several ways to acquire four: 2+(1+1)=4; 2+(root 4)=4; and to get crazy we can say 2+((1/4xroot 4) times 2)=4. All of those are correct. So personifying that translates as follows: in the equation 2+x=4, it is x's destiny to be added to 2 to equal 5. The path it takes to get there is the choice.

If that makes sense to anyone, please let me know; the majority of people I try to explain that to say that I'm wrong just because they're afraid to understand that choices are made for them, it's just the paths taken to accept those choices are what affect your destiny.


Yes, that makes sense. It's like the guy who was prophesied to be killed by his son, so he has all his sons put to death, but one escapes death, grows up not knowing his father, and winds up killing him because of it. Destiny & free will are not mutually exclusive. That upsets people.
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#115 ledger

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 07:18 PM

it is telling you it will come true.

it is reassuring you if you don't go to the doctor than the future can be changed and you can remain sick
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#116 speed

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Posted 06 December 2008 - 02:45 AM

If theres a destiny it dosent matter what u do att all. You will allways do what destiny wants. SIMPLE :lol:
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#117 Ionno

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 01:18 AM

If you think,

Before medical enhancements that fixed medical altercations , was it everyone's destiny to die immediatly because of an incurable illness at the time ?

Destiny can be defined as two ways
1. At which the path's we choose produce our own destiny
2. Our destiny is already set in stone, going to the Doctor will be useless.

If question 2 was valid, like the OP pondered about, then can we contribute medical ignorance by time to have a sever impact on people's destiny regarding life or death ? Think way back to the stonage, before Hospitals and all that... now compare it to know. Did destiny's regulations alter with the face of time ?


Imagine this, your at a stop sign and you pull out infront of someone but then quickly stop, that person, although abruptly angered, slows down and let's you go. Seconds later a drunk driver slams into the angered driver who you cut off. Was that destiny ? That your intentions were already set in stone by a higher power ? Or did you just create someone else's destiny while changing your own ?
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#118 Sherlock

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 04:08 AM

Lazy-bones Paradox - Back to the Paradoxes

If destiny designed a master plan, which defines everything that is to happen, isn't it useless to for example go to a doctor? If I am ill and it is my destiny to regain health, than I will regain health whether I visit a doctor or I don't. And if I shall not be healthy again, than I will not with or without help.
If I am ill and destiny has a definite plan for me, than it is useless to go anywhere.
How could you question the presented opinion?


What if the doctor's destiny is to help you regain your health?
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#119 Aqwa

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 02:14 AM

okay two thereys exist in this the "stone theroy" and the "tapastery therory" (<- don't know how to spell)

Stone theroy is where everything is planned out
while
Tapastery theroy is when you make you own destiny.

So depending on the theroy there are two answers eather:
YOu control your destony
or
Your destiny tell you to go to the doctor to get better cause it is you fate.
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#120 lil-xander

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 04:52 AM

ha! simple!

if destiny is real and controlls us then what we do we have no choice!

This is the thing that every one over skips in this

destiny is you.. he controls u and wat you do

if he makes you do it then it happens..

u cant control wat overpowers you..

its like trying to push a car going 60 mph..

u just cant do it

ur to weak
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