Um...Sisteine Chapel was Renaissance, not Victorian art ;P. Yes your argument only took account art, whereas my statement was meant to mean "art taken in conjunction with other artifacts (such as descriptions on tablets, etc)"...that's why I put the "art" in parenthesis, along with "tablets,etc", rather than just saying "based off art" . I agree with you that art is obviously not always an exact depiction of reality, but I trust the ability of archeologists to be able to tell the difference b/w, like, that a drawing of a man with a jackal's head with corresponding hieroglyphics that say "Anubis, god of [whatever he was god of...I forget]" does not mean ppl at the time had jackal's heads, just as they can tell a statue of the Madonna with child is not representative of the normal society, but drawings of a pharaoh and his servants who are bare chested, with the corresponding corroborating written evidence suggests that the men of that period went about bare-chested.
It is common agreement among archeologists/anthropologists (again I emphasize they base their conclusions off corroborating written evidence, not just the art) that bare breasts were not considered immodest in ancient Egypt. I never stated that clothing served only for protective purposes (stop putting words into my mouth ), I agreed with flame that it had status purposes as well, I was just adding the protective qualities no one else had brought up yet. What I disagree with is that there exists innate human "embarrassment" at nakedness in itself.
Even if modern day sports only allowed men viewers (or victorian era sports), there would still be social awkwardness if the athletes turned up naked. As a contemporary living at this time, I can attest to this ;P.
If you choose not to accept the conclusions of archeologists/anthropologists etc, that is your choice. But for those who do, my assertion holds: the historical record suggests that there was not an innate human 'social awkwardness' at nakedness, but rather one developed over time in societies over the course of human existence. I haven't done enough research, but I suspect that it corresponded to the rise of mono-theistic religions .
Edited by Yoruichi-san, 21 February 2013 - 12:59 AM.