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Human origin" according to my own theory"


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#51 OmegaScales

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:43 PM

Or a human in two trillion years, where the creation of universes is the pastime of children?

 

Ha ha ha! I can totally see that!

"Daddy, can I have that 'Create a Universe' toy?"

"Okay, but if you decide that you don't like it in a few million years, don't come crying to me."

 

 

If the whole universe was void, then what "big banged"? How can nothingness explode into a universe?

That was actually part of my thesis when I got out of Sunday School. Presbyterian church by the way. Actually, I haven't been since then much, but I still have my beliefs and dis-beliefs; I mean, there are things I don't believe are actually true, but I still believe in a "God".


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:15 PM

I asked myself questions and found answers in the Bible or on Christian websites. As to God's omnipotence, how could he suddenly become all-knowing? Similarly, if He has not always been there, where did He come from? If the theory of evolution is true, then we should be able to see a modest number of the organisms that we recognize as fully formed, but have many, many more transitional forms. How many links are between a fish and a reptile? How many combinations of mutations will it take to reach the next organism? If the whole universe was void, then what "big banged"? How can nothingness explode into a universe? There are hundreds of miracles listed in the Bible, and also miracles that we can see today. God does not only work by doing inexplicable things that defy science, He also works within natural laws. Take healings, for instance. One way to know that one God is real and not another is to check what that god says. Books of religion written by humans without God's guidance have mistakes and inaccuracies in them.


On a minor note: if one accepts that the big bang happened then they must realize that the big bang did not happen in the presennce of nothingness. It is a misunderstanding of the big bang to believe it happened in a vacuous space.

Now, I will return to the sidelines and enjoy the discussion.
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Posted 26 August 2013 - 09:52 PM

What was there, then? Matter? Antimatter?
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Posted 26 August 2013 - 11:04 PM

Give me reasonable proof that has been tested by others and found to be consistently true, with no holes. As to what was there before the Big Bang, I haven't the faintest idea. Also, what "miracles" exist today? Sure, some things happen that modern science cannot explain. But actively trying to find an answer is better than sitting back and saying, "Well, I guess that was because of God. Case closed!" There simply is not enough evidence for creationism. Can you give me an example of some of the questions that you asked and the answers you found?


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 12:29 AM

Well, one question I had was how we can be able to see light from stars that were millions of light years away. If the earth is only six thousandish years old, light from those stars would not have enough time to reach earth. However, the Bible records God's creation of the stars. He made them for people to be able to record the seasons and years. God determined just the constellations He wanted us to be able to see in our night sky, and probably adjusted their light according to His plan.
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Posted 27 August 2013 - 02:37 AM

Give me reasonable proof that has been tested by others and found to be consistently true, with no holes.

The thing is, every point of data is different. There is no "perfect" answer, only the answer that makes most sense. Some people see things in a different way than anyone else can. Some people will believe whatever crap you throw at them. Some people will decide what's true, while others will discover what's true.

 

Not to get off topic, but consider this:

"Good" and "Evil" are words humankind has created to establish dominance. In the natural world, there is no "good" or "evil", only life and death.

This is proof of the fact that humankind is "civilized".

 

Whether or not there is a "God" is not a decision that must be reached, but must be proven or disproved. However, there is not enough proof for either, so we must decide for ourselves. I believe in God not because he is not disproved, nor is he proven, but simply because I want to.

 

With that off my chest, I understand the need for evidence, and the need for beliefs. Go nuts, folks.


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:26 PM

Well, one question I had was how we can be able to see light from stars that were millions of light years away. If the earth is only six thousandish years old, light from those stars would not have enough time to reach earth. However, the Bible records God's creation of the stars. He made them for people to be able to record the seasons and years. God determined just the constellations He wanted us to be able to see in our night sky, and probably adjusted their light according to His plan.

Er, yeah, about that, the most widely accepted answer is 4.5ish billion years.


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 09:39 PM

From a Creationist or an evolutionist?
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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:31 AM

*sigh* Good to be back to the philosophical section of BrainDen. Anyway, I know you've moved on from this topic, but I just want to give some evidence for Creationism.

 

1) The Universe is winding down. Entropy is increasing. The total amount of energy in the Universe can't change. But, at one point, the total energy in the Universe and the useful energy (that available for work) were equal (the earliest possible date). The Universe had some sort of a beginning. (I hope that made sense...)

 

2) Huge amounts of energy can't come from nowhere. The Universe needed a 'prime mover', as Aristotle put it.

 

Granted, Creationism doesn't require the God that Kikacat123 and I believe in, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

 

I could summarize a book, and prove the Christian God, but... that would take a long time, and probably wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. I suggest that you try to get hold of a book called "Me, The Professor, Fuzzy & The Meaning of Life" by David Pensgard. It does sound and appear a little childish, but trust me - it isn't. It looks at many possible origins of the Universe, and logically concludes which one is the truth.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:43 PM

*sigh* Good to be back to the philosophical section of BrainDen. Anyway, I know you've moved on from this topic, but I just want to give some evidence for Creationism.

 

1) The Universe is winding down. Entropy is increasing. The total amount of energy in the Universe can't change. But, at one point, the total energy in the Universe and the useful energy (that available for work) were equal (the earliest possible date). The Universe had some sort of a beginning. (I hope that made sense...)

 

2) Huge amounts of energy can't come from nowhere. The Universe needed a 'prime mover', as Aristotle put it.

 

Granted, Creationism doesn't require the God that Kikacat123 and I believe in, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

 

I could summarize a book, and prove the Christian God, but... that would take a long time, and probably wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. I suggest that you try to get hold of a book called "Me, The Professor, Fuzzy & The Meaning of Life" by David Pensgard. It does sound and appear a little childish, but trust me - it isn't. It looks at many possible origins of the Universe, and logically concludes which one is the truth.

 

1) Agreed.

2) Sure, it needed a prime mover, but why does that prime mover have to be omnipotent, omniscient, all-loving and conscious?


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