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#11 BMAD

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:47 AM

Showing a medieval knight the election of the prime minister of Malaysia in the year 2072 may be a safe.

I don't think even this idea would be safe, as the showing still changes the attitudes of the knight you could bring about the concept of democracy early in a feudal based society. This in turn could affect the prime ministers campaign and subsequent election.  The only way to be sure that a small change in the past does not mess up the future indicated is to make sure that the two time periods cannot be related at all. If instead you showed  the knight the election of the alien prime minister of a planet as at most many years in the future as light years away it might work. This is dependant on no causal relationship being able to travel faster than light

Even then we would have to make sure the knight couldn't perceive or understand what they are seeing.  It needs to be not only alien but incomprehensible.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:07 AM

Even then we would have to make sure the knight couldn't perceive or understand what they are seeing.  It needs to be not only alien but incomprehensible.

 

It depends on who is doing the showing. If aliens 2000 light years away have shown the knight the state of their electoral procedure 1999 years in the future then there is nothing the knight can do change that process as any communication the knight has sent a message to indicate that senator Palpatine is in fact Sith will arrive 1 year too late.  No one can stop the dark side. From our viewpoint the knights view of the future has already happened.

 

If however we did the showing because we are not 2000 light years away from the knight, provided paradox does not ensue Hitler wins World War II after experiments in cloning.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:10 AM

Even then we would have to make sure the knight couldn't perceive or understand what they are seeing.  It needs to be not only alien but incomprehensible.

 

It depends on who is doing the showing. If aliens 2000 light years away have shown the knight the state of their electoral procedure 1999 years in the future then there is nothing the knight can do change that process as any communication the knight has sent a message to indicate that senator Palpatine is in fact Sith will arrive 1 year too late.  No one can stop the dark side. From our viewpoint the knights view of the future has already happened.

 

If however we did the showing because we are not 2000 light years away from the knight, provided paradox does not ensue Hitler wins World War II after experiments in cloning.

 

I am unsure on this... if the knight perceives an event further away then could be arrived (ie. 2000 light years away from an event when <2000 light years from when the event started) then i still think a chaos event could still happen....here me out...If knight perceives an event, said event changes knights society, said society voyages to alien soiety and arrives well after the event has happened but informs alien race with astonishing accuracy the details of their historic election.  All the while, the knight (or his decendents) are watching alien and human interaction based off his original observation.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 07:31 AM

*Does God travel faster than light?

 

He doesn't travel. He's already there.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 11:24 PM

@BMAD Even with your story about aliens paradox does not ensue, a causal event cannot be disrupted after the fact

 

The king drinks a chalice of wine and keels over dead.

Moments later a massager runs in at near light speed having foreseen this event an hour ago

 

Messenger: THE KING HAS BEEN POISONED!!

Jester: Kneel as I knight thee Sir State The Obvious


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:10 AM

Messenger: Hmm, I should have seen that coming


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