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#401 gvg

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 07:34 PM

What's so bad about that anyway? I'm not sure I really understand what's wrong with it as a belief, besides the fact that it cannot be easily proven, like anything related to it.
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#402 unreality

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 08:57 PM

What's so bad about that anyway? I'm not sure I really understand what's wrong with it as a belief, besides the fact that it cannot be easily proven, like anything related to it.


I just wanted you to admit to yourself that your belief in a god-via-complexity is by nature illogical and fallacious and you only believe it because you want to. As long as you recognize that, I'm totally okay with it. I just didn't want you to delude yourself into believing there was scientific proof behind it.

To further clarify, the failure of the "complexity argument" (your original stated reason for believing in a higher power) does not prove the NON-existence of a god, it merely shows that the argument DOESNT prove the existence of the god at all; does this by showing that it's simpler in all cases to apply the template of the god origin to the actual universe instead. (again see my posts a few posts up about the fallacy)

Edited by unreality, 16 August 2010 - 08:59 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 10:42 PM

I dont understand the point about the bacteria and the robot. but unreality's last post pretty much sums it up. compelxity or lack thereof has nothing to do with proving the existence of god.
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Posted 17 August 2010 - 02:32 AM

...So it seems like agnosticism is the only logical conclusion. I guess I can agree with it; there isn't any evidence either way, just a person's beliefs and the reason why they believe as they do. So I guess I'm agnostic.

New discoveries each day =)
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Posted 17 August 2010 - 02:37 AM

...Of course I think that's what agnosticism is. Please enlighten me.
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Posted 17 August 2010 - 02:45 AM

...So it seems like agnosticism is the only logical conclusion. I guess I can agree with it; there isn't any evidence either way, just a person's beliefs and the reason why they believe as they do. So I guess I'm agnostic.

New discoveries each day =)

I see why you think that right now, but really once you start looking into it more, there's overwhelming evidence against Gawd. I really recommend reading that book I mentioned a little further up. :)
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Posted 17 August 2010 - 02:50 AM

...But nothing that completely disproves it. I will read it though, if I get the chance.
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Posted 17 August 2010 - 03:38 AM

Nothing that completely disproves this, either: http://www.godlessge...INKS/Dragon.htm

As science advances, the gaps for gods to hide behind become considerably smaller, and religions keep adapting/changing the interpretation of their texts to keep up. :rolleyes: It's only a matter of time, but until we get to the point where we can explain everything, that link is some food for thought.

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 04:00 AM

...and once we get there, I will surrender willfully.

As for the link, well, I see what they're saying. Really, though, it cannot be fully disproved, just as it cannot be fully proved. I guess we have to wait until we die, and by then, it's to late to tell anyone.

ONCE AGAIN, I'm very open to scientific discoveries. Once I started to learn about the universe, about physics (to a point; it's confusing as hell) and, most importantly, about evolution, I stopped allowing myself to be spoon fed information from my church. I noticed contradictions. For example, they say that God knows everything that will happen, thus pointing to only one future. However, they constantly push free will into our faces. If God knows what will happen, how can it be free will? Things like these began the questioning. I saw history shows on religious based horrors, like the inquisitions or crusades. And I'm thankful that I was mentally strong enough to do so. My beliefs are based on my transition, and my belief that science and religion CAN come together in a beautiful way. You may think that it's because of my unwillingness to fully let go (not what I think, I basically changed religions over the span of a few months).

That's my conclusion; take from it what you will.
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#410 unreality

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 04:31 AM

:)
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