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Evidence of God's Design


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#11 hambone

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 02:53 AM

-_-

I didn't read any of what you wrote. Just. Stop. Talking. For the sake of humanity, S.T.F.U. Read a lampin' book. God: The Failed Hypothesis will do fine.

/leaves thread

No problem Izzy, Just remember you asked why I believe. Your weak minded and easily swayed. Your thoughts are someone else's teachings. Useless. Didn't think you would read. Have volumes of evidence for you not to read. Next time don't ask. -_-
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#12 Izzy

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 02:57 AM

Actually. I changed my mind. Prepare for intellectual pwnage. You claim to have been "learning" for longer than I have been alive. This was clearly demonstrated by your knowledge of other religions in the other thread.. :rolleyes: If in the year or so I've been interested in this sort of thing surmounts/passes what you've been able to discover in your entire life, that.. definitely says something about you, my friend. I don't care if you've made up the mind. I'm here to stop you from spewing BS all over the internet and confusing easily pliable minds with it.

You clearly have nil knowledge of evolution. I'm gonna say what unreality said and defer you to either dawh, ADParker, or octopuppy here. Unfortunately my high school level biology is sort of lacking. :(

I don't know anyting about the brain or liver, but I do know a thing or two about the eye. Thank you, Mr. Victor Stenger. I learned the following from one of his books, and have paraphrased, taking information from the book, which I have in front of me.

You say the eye is perfect and wired exceptionally, and "Gmoz, it's so good God must have done it." Welll. You're wrong (not surprsing). The eye is actually wired backwards, in all veretebrates. Other animals have their eyes wired much more rationally. Intelligent design? Methinks not. Yeah, it works fine for us, but it's.. not designed at all. "Eyes provide such obvious survival value that they developed at least FORTY times independently in the course of evolution. Neuroscience has identified eight different optical solutions for collecting and focusing light, although all share similarities at the molecular level. The physics and the chemistry are the same; few ways exist for detecting photons. But, because of the important role of chance and local environment in the evolution of complex systems, different solutions to the problem were uncovered by random sampling of the varied paths allowed by evolution. In short, the structres of eyes look as they might be expected to lok if they developed from purely material and mindless process - chance + natural selection - as these processes explore the sace of possibe survival solutions."

Also, if our eyes are so perfectly "designed", why do people go blind? Why do people need glasses? Just God failing, or.. imperfect evolution. The answer is clear. Same thing with death people and the need for hearing aids. :rolleyes:

(Sorry for any typos, this computer doesn't have spell check. I didn't feel like typing this up on my MacBook, and I was looking at the book rather than the screen whilst typing.)

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#13 hambone

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 03:01 AM

This is not intended to be an argument or debate or for that matter a
way to change any one's way of thinking or believing. Simply to show some
of the reasons why I believe the way that I do.

What part of that do you struggle with?

Edited by hambone, 10 July 2010 - 03:02 AM.

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 03:01 AM

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No problem Izzy, Just remember you asked why I believe. Your weak minded and easily swayed. Your thoughts are someone else's teachings. Useless. Didn't think you would read. Have volumes of evidence for you not to read. Next time don't ask. -_-

I didn't feel the need. You're clearly another over zealous Judeo-Abramic Christian with little to no knowledge of other religions. I have no motive for persauding you to think differently. You're of the older generation (no offense), and will have little impact on the future (again, no offense). ..And truthfully, you think 2012 is going to happen, so it's hard to take anything you say seriously. I asked because you claimed to possess knowledge of world religions after intense study in the other thread, and it became pathetically apparent that you don't. I am weak minded and easily swayed? Lmao. Yeah. That's why I totally fell for the whole childhood indoctrination thing and believe the same bull as the rest of Christianity. No dude. When you were little, someone told you God existed. They also told you Santa existed. You eliminated one, I eliminated both. Can we say easily swayed?

My thoughts are no one's teaching. I used to information around me to make an informed decision. You blindly believe. <resists making insult>

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#15 Izzy

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 03:03 AM

This is not intended to be an argument or debate or for that matter a
way to change any one's way of thinking or believing. Simply to show some
of the reasons why I believe the way that I do.

And I am telling you why you are wrong, not for you, for the readers on this board so they have an opinion on both sides. My posts aren't for you. They are for the agnostics on the issue. You seem as self-centred as God. :lol:

This is the internet Don't spew crap and expect it to be left alone and intact, believed and accepted by all with no rebuttle.

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#16 hambone

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 03:04 AM

No I don't believe 2012 will happen at all. That is a belief of New agers.
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#17 hambone

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 03:07 AM

Izzy you just believe differently, but it takes faith to believe the way you do. Faith in the fact of chance of evolution or some other way we all ended up here.
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Posted 10 July 2010 - 03:10 AM

as far as your earlier posts they were directed to me specifically, read them. When someone wants to identify a counterfeit bill they don't study counterfeit money they study the real money so they can see the counterfeit when it shows up.

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Edited by hambone, 10 July 2010 - 03:11 AM.

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#19 Izzy

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 03:12 AM

Dude, are you kidding me? There are overwhelming amounts of evidence for evolution. Please, go take a biology class. This takes no faith. We have fossil record. We have radio dating. We. have. so. much. evidence.
Lol, sorry, I can't do this. Human stupidity and willful ignorance frustrates me too much.

Hi Rookie. I know you know I mean that in the nicest way and is a general statement not directed to anyone on this board. :)

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#20 hambone

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 03:14 AM

What would you like to know about biology?
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