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Evidence of God's Design


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#1 hambone

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 11:07 PM

I have done some research into the evidence of Divine creation.
This thread in my opinion as far as I am concerned is not debatable.
By that I mean my mind is made up and you cannot change how I believe.
Debate all you want, although I believe, if instead of just ripping
apart the points listed below you might look into some of them first).
I would also like to know if you do or do not believe in Divine creation.

This is not intended to be an argument or debate or for that matter a
way to change any one's way of thinking or believing. Simply to show some
of the reasons why I believe the way that I do.

#1. THE BRAIN.
The late biochemist and atheist said "In man is a three-pound brain which,
as far as we know, is the most complex and orderly arrangement of matter
in the Universe."

The human brain consists of about ten thousand million nerve cells. Each
nerve cell puts out between ten thousand and one hundred thousand connecting
fibers by which it makes contact with other nerve cells in the brain. Altogether
the number of connections in the human brain approaches 10 to the 15 power
or a thousand million million. Numbers in the order of 10 to the 15 power are
of course beyond comprehension.

#2. THE EYE.
3000 years ago the wisest man on earth King Solomon, wrote, "The hearing ear,
and the seeing eye, the Lord hath made even both of them." Proverbs 20:12

When a baby is conceived in its mother's womb, the genetic DNA code governing
The eye programs the baby's body to begin growing optic nerves simultaneously
from both the optic center of the brain and from the eye. A million microscopic
optic nerves begin growing from the eye through the flesh toward the optical
section of the baby's brain. Simultaneously, a million optic nerves, with a
protective sheath similar to a fiver-optic cable, begin growing throughout the flesh
towards the baby's eye. Each of these one-million optic nerves must find and match
up to its precise mate to enable vision to function perfectly.

And we're impressed when man can build a highway through a mountain and meet in
the middle somewhere.

#3. THE LIVER.
1000's of years ago Moses wrote "For the life of the flesh is in the blood"
Leviticus 17:11. How did Moses know this over 3000 years ago when doctors
did not know until the discovery, by the English doctor, Dr. William Harvey in
1616, of the role of the circulation of blood in the function of life.

Our bodies are exposed to enormous amounts of chemical poisons and harmful
waste substances that are naturally produced by our organs and cells in the
normal course of life. Not to mention what we eat and drink. The job of the
Liver is to identify the chemical composition of an unknown material, analyze
what chemical reactions and enzymes are needed to neutralize or make nutritious
the material needed by your body's trillions of cells, produce these essential
chemicals, and perform these complex functions-all is less than twelve seconds.
If it couldn't do this, you would die. Then sends the safe material into your
blood stream. Your liver can perform over 500 separate chemical reactions at
the same time. Actually the liver does so much it would take pages to explain.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 11:56 PM

hmm......i like it..... :thumbsup:
you already know my answer: yes, there is a divine power.......but i don't wanna emphasise on it because it makes me sound like an extremist, which i'm not.....

Spoiler for .......

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 12:02 AM

I know exactly what you mean. Most of what we were talking about in the other thread started by Izzy asking for evidence of a Divine God. It was asked that we direct our comments to a more appropriate thread. Don't need to argue with anyone I just want to answer Izzy's question in an appropriate thread. :thumbsup:
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Posted 10 July 2010 - 12:14 AM

I don't have a problem with Izzy......I just have a problem with her insults about God and religion.......:(
It sounds like she has an attitude thing.........unreality didn't do that......
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Posted 10 July 2010 - 12:22 AM

I don't have a problem with Izzy......I just have a problem with her insults about God and religion.......:(
It sounds like she has an attitude thing.........unreality didn't do that......

Me either EDM. Just hope some of the points I'm looking at are read and thought about.
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Posted 10 July 2010 - 01:13 AM

The biochemists name in #1 is Dr. Isaac Asimov.
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Posted 10 July 2010 - 01:37 AM

sometimes I think about stuff like this and it's all so fantastic, so improbable (or is it?), so cleverly designed (or so it seems) that I'm with you. I really am. But, there are two problems:

(1) problem of recursion - surely if all these interlocking creatures and body parts were designed instead of co-evolved, it would take an _incredible_ mind to do the designing. Would you agree? A mind more complex (or as it is claimed, INFINITELY more complex) than the human brain, than the liver, than a honeycomb. If this designing mind is so much more complex than ours; and ours require designing BECAUSE they are so complex, than wouldn't this overmind (GOD) requiring an even greater designer?

a typical response here is "God is infinitely more complex than the complex human mind, yes; but the human mind needs designing whereas God just is", but do you realize how empty that is. "God just is"

For the sake of the argument why don't we extend it to the whole universe and everything in it. The universe, the galaxy, the solar system, Earth, plants, humans, animals, the complexity of Life. You say that its complexity requires being designed. But you also say that God is infinitely more complex. Then when asked "Okay so WHO designed GOD?" you reply "God does not need designing, he just IS" ... then why not cut out the middleman and just accept that The Universe can "just BE"?

In terms of complexity:

God > Universe

your argument: Universe is too complex to just be, God must have designed it
counterargument: then if God is more complex, where did He come from?
your argument: he just is.


PARADOX! Don't you see the paradox?

The only possible way to avoid is to say that God is LESS complex than the universe in terms of having-to-be-designed. In fact you would have to say that God was LESS complex than the human mind. It just doesn't compute.

The only other resolution is to say that there were an infinite chain of gods. But isn't it just simpler to concede then that the Universe just exists? Why can't you let it be?
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Posted 10 July 2010 - 01:38 AM

As for (2), I'm not equipped to explain evolution. There are others who are:

- dawh
- octopuppy
- ADParker


I can't do it justice
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Posted 10 July 2010 - 02:10 AM

Now this is intelligent conversation. It take faith for you to believe that the universe just is just the same kind of faith it takes me to believe that God always was. I have so many more points to bring into this they take time to compact and shorted as to not drive people nuts. They are bad enough as it is. The atom, the cell, the galaxies, the atmosphere etc. Izzy had said to me that I believe the way I do because I'm weak and it's just easier. I would disagree, 1) I have been studying this as long as Izzy has been alive-even longer actually. This I don't think is easier at all. To have faith and believe in what you cannot see.
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Posted 10 July 2010 - 02:32 AM

I didn't read any of what you wrote. Just. Stop. Talking. For the sake of humanity, S.T.F.U. Read a lampin' book. God: The Failed Hypothesis will do fine.

/leaves thread

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