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#11 unreality

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 09:51 PM

You're probably right about the revenue from marijuana... Again, though, taxes should be involved (We already have a compromise completed; we're on a role =)

Oh, even though this probably doesn't need to be said, slavery is illegal. We have to make sure that it's in there or people will do it because it isn't.

And how do you do the quote thing? I'm not sure how. :blink:


click reply or multiquote. Or just wrap text you want to quote in bbcode tags like this:

[quote]quoted text here[/quote]

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#12 Izzy

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 10:47 PM

Okay, I agree that middle-schoolers should have to go to school, but for high school students with good grades, it should be optional. Also, let's make credit denial illegal. There's nothing I hate less.

I agree that drugs should be taxed. I don't think luxury tax should be applied.. maybe.. 10%? It's actually ironic.. The failed war on drugs has cost tax payers $27 billion since the beginning of this year (according to my dock app), but revenue we would gain back by legalizing and taxing drugs will be far more than that, and we're actually improving the quality of the drugs and removing a dangerous portion of the black market. Yay us. :D

Unreality, how do you feel about globalization?

We can work out an amendment process after we finalize these laws and create a new constitution. Man.. we're not going to have to write up every single criminal act and determine jail time, are we? I think we can just "borrow" those from what's already working. >_>

Oh. No capital punishment. Put those people to work.

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 12:04 AM

Thanks unreality.

Oh. No capital punishment. Put those people to work.


I disagree. I'm OK with the death penalty. It costs tax payer dollars to keep those with the "life without parole" sentence around, and they're never going to get out. However, I am NOT OK with public executions, whippings, things like that. Although I guess we could put some to work... but mass murderers, serial killers, criminals like that, I say we should, to put it nicely, remove them.

And it would be best if we borrow things like jail time from what works. After all, it works, no? =)
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 12:35 AM

They can do all the jobs no one wants to do though, but they won't get paid for it, and any money saved will go directly to providing for them or donated to charities. Maybe like 3 people are executed a year? I don't think much money will be wasted either way. =/ I just.. think executing them makes us as bad as them, y'know?

Meh. I don't care about that issue that much.

Okay, hmm. I don't like capitalism because it creates monopolies, and small businesses have almost zero chance of survival (unless they're super original) . ..Communism is on the other edge of the spectrum in that regard, but that's crap too. Maybe we should create something where if a business (say Wal-Mart) gets too powerful and starts closing down other businesses (say Publix), we tell them they need to chill and be nice? Honestly, I have no idea, this has always confused me. :wacko: People should be able to buy/sell/trade whatever they want at whatever prices they want.. but.. Meh.

Eugh, brb, dinner.

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#15 unreality

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 12:49 AM

I disagree. I'm OK with the death penalty. It costs tax payer dollars to keep those with the "life without parole" sentence around,


that's wrong. I was surprised to learn this too but via the current method of lethal injection, an execution costs more (i think much more) than keeping them for life. All of the trials, public lawyers, make-sure procedures and chemicals and whatnot all cost money. If you do accept the death penalty then the actual execution needs to do more humanely (it may sound weird but a quick bullet to the head is way less build up, way less pain, and way less taxpayer money. Or another possibly more humane system that's still cheap)
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 01:03 AM

...If we're talking about humane, give the person a few Xanax bars, wait for them to pass out, add all around anesthesia, and then do lethal injection. ..That shouldn't hurt, right?

Man, will Xanax still make you pass out if you have all that adrenaline going?

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#17 unreality

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 01:06 AM

...If we're talking about humane, give the person a few Xanax bars, wait for them to pass out, add all around anesthesia, and then do lethal injection. ..That shouldn't hurt, right?

Man, will Xanax still make you pass out if you have all that adrenaline going?


the point is to find a cheap way to do it. Hence, not xanax and lethal injections. Lethal injection isn't just one shot - it's all kinds of complicated things. Like four shots.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 01:44 AM

the point is to find a cheap way to do it. Hence, not xanax and lethal injections. Lethal injection isn't just one shot - it's all kinds of complicated things. Like four shots.

The point is to do it as humanely as possible! The cheapest way would not be doing it at all.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 01:59 AM

I like the bullet to the head idea... quick, cheap, and nearly painless. If possible, an inexpensive anesthesia would make it more humane.

Okay, hmm. I don't like capitalism because it creates monopolies, and small businesses have almost zero chance of survival (unless they're super original) . ..Communism is on the other edge of the spectrum in that regard, but that's crap too. Maybe we should create something where if a business (say Wal-Mart) gets too powerful and starts closing down other businesses (say Publix), we tell them they need to chill and be nice?


That's why I like socialism,it's sorta a nice middle ground... I agree with you about both extremes, although actually, capitalism is not the extreme on that 'side,' it's anarchy. But that's another monster =). I've been trying to think of a form of socialism that will avoid the evils of capitalism and the impossibility of communism (the only reason it doesn't work is because humans are greedy; it's not a bad ideal.)When I find that, I will have found, to me, the perfect economic system (socialism isn't a government type; representative democracy is the best government.)
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 02:19 AM

I like the bullet to the head idea... quick, cheap, and nearly painless. If possible, an inexpensive anesthesia would make it more humane.



That's why I like socialism,it's sorta a nice middle ground... I agree with you about both extremes, although actually, capitalism is not the extreme on that 'side,' it's anarchy. But that's another monster =). I've been trying to think of a form of socialism that will avoid the evils of capitalism and the impossibility of communism (the only reason it doesn't work is because humans are greedy; it's not a bad ideal.)When I find that, I will have found, to me, the perfect economic system (socialism isn't a government type; representative democracy is the best government.)


Sorry about the double post, but the edit function isn't working. :blink:

Again, socialism: make money based on how hard you work. That's fair, no? It's not fair that a person becomes rich by being born into it, without working a day in his or her life (and never will)while a poor man will work and possibly never go above the poverty line. That MUST change, with a law of some sort; it interferes with the pursuit of happiness. Any ideas?
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